Finding Lease Options in Realtor Listings! – Wendy Patton

6 07 2009

Wendy Patton talks more about Buying and Selling Real Estate on Lease Options in Indy and elsewhere.  She isn’t trying to sell you guru abilities, she is actually teaching you.

She speaks about talking with Realtors in Indianapolis and elsewhere. How to qualify Realtor listings and educate Realtors about creative selling techniques in Indianapolis and elsewhere.

Over 35 minutes of class time boot legged(not really) from Wendy Pattons’ Buying and Selling Real Estate Boot Camp… People paid thousands of dollars for this bootcamp, and you are getting a taste of it for free!

If you are looking to invest in real estate in Indianapolis or elsewhere, this is some great info!





Wendy Patton Speaks About Lease Options, Contract for deed(land contract), and marketing for buyers and sellers!

8 06 2009

Great interview with Wendy Patton talking about lease options, land contracts(contract for deed). Lots of creative ways to purchase and sell real estate in Indianapolis with little to no money down. Also talking about different ways to market for buyers and sellers.

Wendy Patton started out investing in real estate in 1985. She started out using credit cards, and quickly learned that wasn’t the way to go. She has since published 4 major books about real estate investing, and understands how to buy and sell property in Indy with no money down.





Real Estate Wholesaling.. Get rich quick scheme, or a lot of work?!?

12 05 2009

Real Estate Wholesaling.. Get Rich Quick Scheme, or a lot of work?!?

I work with a lot of investors. I have a booth at our local REIA(Real Estate Investors Association), and I am constantly looking for experienced investors looking to buy my properties(yes I wholesale), or newbie investors looking to get their feet wet with private money lending and tutoring.. Point is, I see A LOT of newbies who want to get their feet wet by wholesaling. A lot of these guru’s preach how easy it is to make 5, 10, 50k on a single wholesale deal.. Most guru’s don’t tell you how much work is involved.

Yes, you can make money in wholesaling, but there is a lot of work involved. There is many facets to wholesaling.. It’s not just making lowball offers on houses, and then selling them quick and easily… You are going to need to find sellers(banks/reo properties are easy enough, but there is decent competition there, so don’t depend on these). You will need buyers(Investors who have cash and are ready to go on a moments notice). You will need to know how to be creative and market effectively. Finding sellers and buyers and coming up with the marketing and the marketing itself are all things that are going to take time… Lots of time!!

Let’s run down the main process, as if we already have some buyers(investors) on the line, and we are looking at REO/Bank Owned properties, and since we are in fantasy land, lets say you are a Realtor and can make your own offers(I kid, I kid!)..

On average you will write 20 offers on houses before you will get 1 under contract… So that means you are going to go look at 20 houses(30 minutes a piece), then spend 10-15 minutes a piece writing up offers to submit. Let’s say they all counter offer and it takes you another 15 minutes each to write a counter to their counter, etc So 1 hour per house @ 20 houses = 20 hours per week plus or minus. Add in multiple second or third counter offers and the time limits can go up.

Once you get one under contract it will be time to submit your earnest money and then on to crunch time and getting it sold… You need to be calling all your investors and getting them in to see the house. Once you get one on the hook, you need to get them to give you the wholesale money and get them on the contract. Sounds easy right?

Let’s talk issues….

You don’t have your Realtors license… You have to drag a Realtor to 20 houses a week. You have the Realtor look up comps for your deal. You have the Realtor write up the contracts on 20 houses. You have the Realtor submit and defend all the offers. You have the Realtor submit your earnest monies. You are probably going to have to submit earnest money checks with each offer(don’t worry, they won’t be cashed unless the deal gets accepted). If you can’t close, your Realtor is going to have to fight to get you your earnest money back.

You can’t find a buyer…. Most likely you didn’t get a good enough deal for most investors, or you missed some repairs. You either buy it yourself, or you have to get out of the contract, and get your earnest money back. Be aware that getting your earnest money back might not happen, and in most cases it will take a LONG time to get your money back(2-6 weeks or longer). Your Realtor will be pissed because he/she drug you around to 20 houses, and you couldn’t complete the deal.

You don’t get any offers accepted….. Most likely you are having a problem comp’ing the house, or the repairs. Your offers are coming in way to low, and the bank is just laughing at you.. hehe Your realtor is going to start getting irked at all the work and no payoff.

You find a seller…. You are going to need to spend time with them, hold their hand, explain the process. You may spend 1-2 hours, or more, dealing with a seller to get them to the point of signing a deal with you. Then you are going to have a lot more time holding their hand throughout the process. You plan to hold their hand right?!?! Most people who sell to us are dealing with stressful extenuating circumstances. You need to understand this and help them feel comfortable with their decision. I know this process is about you making money, but you need to understand that you are doing a far better service for the seller. You are helping them offload a burden, in most cases. You may very well have to listen to a 3 hour speech about how the family pet died and it’s been a downward spiral ever since… DEAL WITH IT!!!

20 hours a week to preview and submit offers on bank owned homes to get 1 deal UNDER CONTRACT. Half a 40 hour work week to get 1 deal under contract. Don’t forget the time you will be spending marketing and dealing with buyers and sellers. Don’t forget the time you will be working with your Realtor(if you aren’t one). There is a lot of time involved in wholesaling. Doesn’t stop me, but I don’t have delusions of grandeur. There is no get rich quick scheme in wholesaling… Lots of hard work will pay off in the end..





Fannie Mae makes me laugh.

22 10 2008

So I write something like 15-20 offers a week on properties for investors.. Of which we get 2-3 per month under contract… Most of my offers are foreclosures or REO properties. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid their “restrictions” are, or the things that will show up on counter offers.

All of the stuff is ALWAYS in the banks favor. If you need to postpone closing, they charge you $100 p/day, but if they need to postpone closing, they owe you nothing. They wont pay any title fees that a normal seller would. They wont pay for remediation if wood destroying insects are found. Lots of goofy stuff like that.

Anyways, I got a counter yesterday and although I shouldn’t be surprised, it did make me laugh…

Fannie Mae does suck SUCH a good job at running their own business, now they are going to tell me how to run mine?!?

Below is the restriction they put on a counter offer I received this morning.

6) Deed restriction applies to non-owner occupied purchases. Buyer is restricted from selling/encumbering property for more than 120% of purchase price for a period of 3 months from date of close.

hahaha How the heck do they expect to enforce this?  The house in question has EXTENSIVE damage and will require EXTENSIVE cash to fix.. and yet if we go with the letter of the law here.. even though I may put 3 TIMES the amount of money into repairing the house that I purchased the house for.. I can’t sell it for 3 months.. hahaha So my offer on the house in question was $8000. It needs probably $30,000 in repairs. Yet, If I want to sell it in under 90 days, i cant ask for more than $9600?!?!? yeah.. whatever…

When you really look at the facts though.. It really is a non-issue because the house needs so much work, and in this market doing the repairs needed and “selling” it in 3 months would be like winning the lottery, but the audacity for them to tell me how i can run my own business?!?! hahaha

As a matter of principle I will counter and tell them to stick that restriction where the sun don’t shine.. Well, I won’t use those exact words, but you get my point…





Investing in Indianapolis Real Estate?!?

21 08 2008

I know, Im a bad guy.. Haven’t been updating my blog, and ignoring people, etc… I BEEN BUSY!!!!

I started a new wing to my real estate business. I have always worked with investors, but I am starting to wholesale properties.. It’s actually kind of a natural fit.. I always work with buyers to find homes, but in wholesaling, I find the deals, and then market them to my investors…  How does it work?

Well, basically, I get homes under contract and for a small fee, sell them to investors… Generally the homes are in need of repairs/rehab, and generally they will cost my investors 70% of ARV(After Repaired Value)… So a 100k home that needs 10k in repairs, my investor will buy it for roughly 60k.

Investors have varying needs, and figure profit differently, so I have my investors register at my specialty website explaining what they want, and I go out and find the deals for them.  Basically, they dont have to spend time looking, I have the house under contract, and they pay me a fee to assign the contract to them.

Is this legal? Yes, Absolutely!

Does this involve a scam/fraud/etc.. NO!!!! I know there are some people out there who take advantage of others, but I run my business ethically.

I have 3 rules in my wholesaling business.
1) I won’t sell a deal that i wouldn’t do myself.
2) I will never fudge the numbers to make a deal look better than it is.
3) I’ll never sell you a deal that isn’t good for YOU. Based on your experience, resources, or exit strategies.

Why wouldn’t an investor just go out and find the deal on his own and save the fee?!? Because I save him/her time! Time they could be rehabbing the house. Time they could be finding a renter. Most importantly, Time they could be spending with their family and friends! I make something along the lines of 15-20 offers before I get ONE deal accepted.. How much time/heartache do you think that saves an investor?!?

Could an investor go around me and steal the deal? Not legally. The house will be under contract before I advertise it. I have 15-21 days to close the deal. Chances are good that i will find an investor, or I’ll buy the deal myself.

How does the investor know they are getting a good deal?!? I HIGHLY recommend to all my investors that they go get their own facts/figures and not trust mine! But, I do provide them with a home inspection, a pest inspection, and the lists of comparabless(rental and retail) that I used to find my ARV(After Repaired Value).

You can read more on my website





Crazy Low Ball Offers for a home!

4 08 2008

So your home is for sale, and it needs work, and you are having a hard time selling it… Weeks, Months, years  go by, and you haven’t had an offer, and then it comes… HOKIE SMOKES!! This guy just insulted you by offering some insanely low amount!! No wait, he didnt insult just you… He insulted your entire family all the way down to your great great grand-mama who jumped off the boat(Noah’s ark to be exact!), who had pocket change worth more than this offer… 

HOW DARE HE!!!!!

Now you lay into your Agent for bringing you the offer, you get irked at the wife and kids, heck you even go off on the poor ole dog, just cause he prolly looked at the offeror wrong during the showing!!

Your first inclination is to outright reject the offer.. Heck, if tar and feathering were still options, you would consider that as well!  It is WELL within your rights to reject that offer, and go on with your life, or you can take a deep breath and counter offer… Keep in mind, the offer that just came in, is better than the offer you had yesterday isn’t it?!?  

Sometimes the only people that can buy your home are investors.. Most of the time, The investors out there are generally working with formulas that tell them how much they can offer.  It’s called a MAO(Maximum Allowable Offer). Now they will start out lower than that MAO, but they will get to a point and just have to stop. It’s not worth your or their time to continue on.  If your agent doesnt know whether they are an investor or not, you’ll get a feel for their stand after your counter offer. If you want 100k, and they offer 72k, and you counter at 98k, and they counter at 74k, then chances are you either need to meet near their price, or just discontinue the negotiations.. They are thinking the same thing!

Now that doesn’t mean that their aren’t people out there just making ludicrous offers just to see who bites. I personally have seen the first offer from a buyer come in at 60k on a 105k house, and then the buyers second offer comes in at 101k… HUH?!?! What just happened there… Needless to say, my seller took a deep breath and countered that first 60k offer, and the buyer changed their tune once they saw where the seller was at.. I gather the buyer figured the first offer would get the seller to drop close to his/her bottom dollar pretty quickly, and then when they didnt come much off the price, they decided to come up.

Most of the time, your agent should be able to figure out whether this is a retail buyer or an investor. Investors mean you no disservice by their offers. They arent trying to insult you, they are just working through their numbers… There is about a 1 in 20 acceptance rate on their offers, and they dont get emotionally attached to any of them.  Although, I have on occasion spent hours trying to make a deal work, cause I was emotionally attached to a house…

If you are dealing with an investor, there is some things that might raise their price above the MAO.. I’ll save those for another thread…





No FHA Loan for ungrounded electrical systems.

21 07 2008

I work with a lot of indianapolis real estate investors. I recently learned that, in Indiana, if a home has an electrical system that is ungrounded, then a buyer can not get a FHA backed loan for the property. Evidently it’s an Indiana Law. Not sure how followed this law is, but it could be used against an investor who buys a home with cash and then rehabs the home, expecting to sell retail…

I was a bit confused by this, so i checked with a couple of different people.. It seems to check out.. So if you are in Indiana, and your home has ungrounded outlets, and or an ungrounded electrical box(circuit breaker,etc), then your buyers can not get a FHA backed loan.. Now you can prolly sell it on a conventional loan, or via cash, but you are limiting your options on a home like this… Especially in this market.

I recently made an offer on an investment property, and I noticed that 90% of the outlets were only 2 prong. I was already figuring on a total rehab for the property, so I already figured an upgrade to the wiring, but I was unaware that this would be a REQUIREMENT. I was informed by my sources though, that a person can run a seperate ground wire for the outlets, so at least I have that going for me.. hehe





Loans for Investors, past-present-future!

16 06 2008

Lee’s Notes: as most of you know, I am pretty hard and heavy with investing in indianapolis real estate.. I found the following article very interesting.  It speaks mainly towards investor loans, and I’ll carry it out over 2-3 days. It was written by Vena Jones-Cox(The real estate goddess).

The Past, Present, and Future of Institutional Loans

   It’s not necessary to use banks to buy real estate…but it sure helps to have them as a resource, ESPECIALLY in a market where the 1-2 year terms that most private lenders want might balloon before the resale market bounces back.

   We’re in a very odd market right now where on the one hand, banks are desperate to sell their portfolios of REO properties, but on the other hand don’t want to loan investors money to buy or fix them. Interest rates are low and attractive, but loan programs are extremely limited. Few qualified homeowners are in the market to buy, and a lot of effort is being put into making money available to them. Lots of qualified investors would like to buy, but there are almost no programs available to help them do so.

   In almost any other industry, demand drives a business’s product mix. In real estate, for instance, there is much less demand for “retail” houses, so investor are busily supplying the demand that’s replaced it: lease/options and rentals. Unless we’re insane, we’re not sitting on properties month after month after month, stubbornly insisting that someone “should” buy our house—we’re filling the actual desires of the market, which is to rent now, buy later. So why are banks sitting on a gazillion dollars worth of cash, insisting on waiting around for the next homebuyer to walk through the door, when there are tens of thousands of investors clamoring to borrow the money, but shut out by the lender’s policies?

  A Brief History of Mortgage Lending

   In order to understand why there’s a severe shortage of money in the market today, it helps to understand how the mortgage lending industry has changed in the past 80 years or so.

   It used to be that all banks made money the same way: by taking in depositor funds and loaning out those funds at a higher rate of interest, largely secured by real estate. You’d put your money in a savings account and get 2% interest; the bank would then take your money (and that of a bunch of your neighbors) and loan it to Harry Homebuyer at 7% interest. The 5% override (along with the upfront loan costs) was how banks made a profit for years and year.

   This system makes a lot of sense on the face of it; however, the practical result of it was that mortgages were LESS obtainable under it than they are today. The banks making these loans faced 2 natural limitations: the amount of money they had available to lend and the amount of risk they were willing to take on a particular borrower or property, as well as overall.

   In fact, as late as the 1930s, it was common for the local bank to offer mortgages only if the borrower could put 50% down on the property, and only with 5-10 year balloons (which is where the common plot device of the evil, mustachioed character ready to take the old homestead came from…since most mortgages ballooned, many owners lost their properties not from inability to make the payments, but from inability to make the BALLOON payment).

   Banks at the time took an obvious risk in loaning out depositor money (remember Jimmy Stewart explaining, “Your money is in Frank’s house, and yours is in the Smith place…” during the run on the Bailey Savings and Loan?). But there were other risks as well—any losses had to be made up from profits (remember, we’re talking about the days before “mortgage insurance”, and if interest rates on DEPOSITS rose, all existing mortgages became less profitable (or, if the deposit rates climbed too much, could actually begin to lose money). Given that all the risk inherent in making mortgage loans stayed with the bank who made them, it’s not difficult to understand why the terms were so harsh (at least compared to what we’re used to), and why home ownership remained a “dream” to most American families until after World War II.

  Needless to say, the Great Depression made things even worse—the real estate market crashed along with the stock market, and between the extreme poverty of most Americans and the deep distrust of banks, little money was available for loans in any case. In order to stimulate the real estate market and take some of the lending risk off the backs of local banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association was created in 1938.

 Originally a government program, FNMA borrowed money at low rates overseas and used it to buy mortgages from the original lenders. This allowed your friendly neighborhood bank an almost inexhaustible supply of money to loan, and a new way to profit from mortgages with almost no risk. Instead of worrying that rates on depositor money might exceed mortgage rates over the long term, banks could now move the long-term risk to FNMA simply by selling the mortgages almost immediately—and could make their profits by charging fees for the origination of the loan. So now, $100,000 in deposits could generate $1,000 fees over, and over, and over in a single year as the deposits were replenished by the purchase of the mortgage by FNMA.

 The creation of FNMA (and of FHA and VA insured loans, also during the 30s) caused a sea change in the mortgage industry. Balloons in residential owner-occupied mortgages disappeared practically overnight. 30 year terms with 20% down, as opposed to 50%, became the norm. All the risk associated with longer terms and lower down payments was taken away from banks and put in the hands of the taxpayer, and suddenly home ownership was an option for many more Americans.

  The secondary banking system created by FNMA set the stage for the massive changes in the mortgage industry in the late 60s and early 70s. With much of the profit from “conforming loans” (i.e. those that qualified for purchase by FNMA and its much younger cousins GNMA and FHLMC) coming from up front fees and servicing fees rather than yield spread, it only made sense that mortgage lending would become a business in itself, separate from taking deposits. With Countrywide leading the way, mortgage lending became a national, rather than local, business.

 Meanwhile, back in the world of real estate investing, the rise of the conventional loan market created an interesting problem. Many banks stopped making any loan that couldn’t be sold on the secondary market—and that included loans to entities, loans for renovation, and, on and off, loans of more than 80% of the purchase price of properties. For the kinds of deals we buy (some of which cost more to FIX than they do to PURCHASE), conventional financing has always been a reasonable option for Refinancing, but not so much for buying properties in the first place.

 So, even as the rest of the banking world moved on to making primarily “conforming” loans, some smaller lenders realized that there was a profitable niche to be filled serving the needs of real estate investors. Yes, it was a higher-risk way to make money, primarily because a mortgage made on a junker-type investment property had to be “portfolioed” (kept by the bank rather than sold on the secondary market), but given that the borrowers were willing to pay higher fees and interest rates, lots of smaller banks were ready, willing, and able to fill the need.

 That is, until the real estate market crashed in 2005. Suddenly, the little banks around the country that had been the only haven for investors looking for institutional money began pulling programs off the table right and left. By early 2007, only a small fraction of the “portfolio” lenders in the country were still making money available to buy and rehab properties, and those that were had restricted the programs to such an extent that the terms were impossible for many investors to meet.





Ever Thought about Indianapolis Real Estate Investing?

20 05 2008

Not sure how many people know this, but I am a real estate investor as well as a Realtor. Well, DUH.. I know most Realtors are investors.. well, they CALL themselves investors, but they dont really do a lot of investing.. I am a numbers guy, and also handy at working on homes… I go into homes that need a lot of work and can visualize the financial outcome of some hard work.

ANYWAYS, I come across so many steals that I can’t deal with them all, so I am going to build a business where I wholesale these properties off to you folks who want them. I work the deal, secure the property, and for a small fee sell the deal to any of you folks. As most of you know, I am a brutally honest person. I don’t want to take advantage of anyone, and I want people to be informed about deals they may be getting into..

I am building a new website for this business, but I’ll open it up to people who regularly read my blog. I plan to secure the properties and then complete an email blast to those people on my list who are qualified buyers.

What kind of deals can you expect? How about homes at 60-70% of ARV(after repaired value). I will also subtract repairs from the price, so for example: 100k ARV home needs 10k in repairs, then I might sell it to the first respondee for $60,000(70% arv – 10k in repairs). You would also pay the closing fees on the transaction just as if you were buying the property(figure 1.5% roughly). Basically I am just assigning my purchase agreement to you.

Why would you want to do this? Why wouldn’t you go out and find the deal yourself? Well, it takes a lot of time to find and work these deals. Time that you could be rehabbing, finding tenants/buyers, etc… I do all the legwork, you reap the benefits.

I’ll post more in the next couple of days.. Still ironing out a lot of facts, etc… If you are interested, shoot me an email, and i can talk more about the whole deal.

PS – if you have a distressed home in or around Indianapolis and are looking for a buyer give me a call at 317-450-3491.





Been a bit negligent in posting lately!

15 02 2008

I have been in Atlanta, GA for the past week. Went for a Keller Williams Real Estate Convention. Was a great time, made a lot of friends and contacts. DEFINITELY if you like what I write, and have a friend or family member looking to buy, sell, or invest, send me an email with their name, phone, address, and email(or any of the above). I will do my best to find someone to refer them to, and maybe I will get a referral fee so I can feed my rugrat!!! hehe

What did I learn? A great many things.  I had dinner with one of the top agents in the city, and I showed him my marketing strategy for homes that I list. He told me “WOW, do you need to do that much marketing for a house? It’s like killing a mouse with a canon!” We all had a good laugh, and I informed him I would start to use that in my marketing! hehe

I went to quite a few investing seminars. I have a lot to offer investors, and plan to market to them a bit over the next year. Most of the other Realtors I met who deal with investors were in awe of my reports I create for investors showing the top 10-15 homes in an area that would make great rental properties along with basic ROI numbers. Takes me about an hour to complete the list per a clients requirements, and then 15-30 minutes from their out to rerun the report. Great value added incentive for investors.

I’ll update some more Ah-Ha’s from my trip as the week progresses. Send me an email if you have a topic you would like me to cover. I get about 50-100 hits per day, so you folks are interested.